Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/05/2001 08:49 PM Senate JUD

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          CSHB 179(FIN)-UNDERAGE DRINKING & DRUG OFFENSES                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NORMAN ROKEBERG  presented CSHB 179(FIN) on behalf of                                                            
the House  Judiciary  Committee.   In December,  the Alaska  Supreme                                                            
Court  ruled  on  the  state  versus  Neidemeyer  (ph)  case  making                                                            
structurally  inoperative the "Use  it and lose it" law.   The court                                                            
found  that revoking  a minor's  driver's  license  without a  trial                                                            
violated   the  minor's   constitutional  right   of  due   process.                                                            
Consequently,   the  House  Judiciary  Committee   worked  with  the                                                            
Administration to find  a way to re-criminalize minor possession and                                                            
consumption.   The prosecutors and law enforcement  are doing little                                                            
or nothing to  enforce the law because their hands  are tied.  Right                                                            
now a  maximum fine  of $300 is  imposed.  He  said the Legislature                                                             
needs to send a message  to the youth of this state that they should                                                            
wait until they are of age before using alcohol responsibly.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Working  with  the Administration,  the  House  Judiciary  Committee                                                            
designed a new penalty  scheme which provides for a violation on the                                                            
first  two offenses.   The  fine amounts  range from  $200 to  $600,                                                            
which can be suspended.   It also mandates attendance  at an alcohol                                                            
education  program and,  for a first  offense, allows  the use  of a                                                            
community  diversion  panel,  which  could  be  a  youth  court,  if                                                            
approved by  the court.  For a second  offense, the maximum  fine is                                                            
$1,000  (up to one-half  may be  suspended), 48  hours of  community                                                            
service,  revocation of the  driver's license  for three months.   A                                                            
third offense rises to  a class B misdemeanor with the imposition of                                                            
96  hours  of community  service  and  revocation  of  the  driver's                                                            
license for  6 months.  A person under  18 years of age is  referred                                                            
to juvenile court, if over, to district court.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked why  community service is part of the sentence                                                            
for offenders  over the age  of 18 if they  are old enough to  go to                                                            
jail.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG said, "Well, I believe Mr.  Chairman, it is                                                            
a class B misdemeanor."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked if  the House Judiciary Committee came up with                                                            
a habitual minor consuming standard and if that is new.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG  said he believes it is new and that it also                                                            
provides for a juvenile alcohol safety action program (ASAP).                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked if it will provide for treatment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG said  the bill includes  a pilot  treatment                                                            
program  that specifies  the communities  of  Ketchikan,  Fairbanks,                                                            
Kotzebue  and Juneau as recipients  of the  treatment money  at this                                                            
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR  asked  a representative  from  the  Department  of                                                            
Health and Social Services (DHSS) to testify.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ELMER LINDSTROM,  special  assistant  to  Commissioner  Perdue,                                                            
DHSS,   said  he   appreciates   the   opportunity   to  work   with                                                            
Representative  Rokeberg on this bill.  The genesis  of HB 179 began                                                            
last  summer when  they  met  with representatives  from  the  court                                                            
system, law  enforcement, prosecutors  and the public defender.  The                                                            
bill contains  elements that DHSS believed should  come forward even                                                            
before the  Alaska Supreme  Court ruled.   From DHSS's perspective,                                                             
monitoring  is key.  ASAP  serves only adults  and the court  system                                                            
wants  and needs equivalent  assistance  for juveniles.   The  court                                                            
system  feels it  has been  unable to  have any  kind of  meaningful                                                            
intervention  with juveniles.  If  the "Use it and lose it"  law did                                                            
nothing else,  it provided good data.  That data revealed  juveniles                                                            
who were  10, 12,  or 15-time  offenders.   Under  current law,  the                                                            
state's response  for the 15th offense is the same  as it is for the                                                            
first offense  so the concept  of graduated  sanctions was  one that                                                            
DHSS felt had merit.  Its  goal is to get the monitoring and provide                                                            
treatment to intervene early.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked if  the state has any treatment facilities for                                                            
juveniles.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDSTROM  said treatment  capacity for  juveniles in Alaska  is                                                            
very limited,  either in-patient  or out-patient.   DHSS's  original                                                            
fiscal  note on  this bill  requested in  excess of  $1 million  for                                                            
treatment in all  places it wanted to put juvenile  ASAP sites.  The                                                            
House  Finance Committee  cut  that and  put in  language for  pilot                                                            
sites. He  said he does not  want anyone to  believe that even  with                                                            
passage of  this bill and  its attached fiscal  note, there  will be                                                            
adequate facilities for youth in the state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said,                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In  fact, what  we've  been doing  with the  court system                                                                  
     until  the decision came down  from the Supreme Court,  is                                                                 
     we were fining kids until  we worked our way through their                                                                 
     permanent  fund dividend  check.  So,  at $300 a pass,  it                                                                 
     took you about seven times  and you got to drink for free.                                                                 
     So,  number 8, 9,  10, 11,  12, 13 that  year, those  were                                                                 
     free because  you'd already burned up your permanent  fund                                                                 
     dividend check.  That's  literally how they work it in the                                                                 
     court.   They'd come  in and give them  $300 civil fine  -                                                                 
     they'd take it out of their  permanent fund dividend check                                                                 
     ...."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  said  he appreciates   this legislations    and  said  he  would                                                            
personally  go a little  tougher on  the state  as far as  providing                                                            
treatment facilities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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MR. ROBERT  BUTTCANE, Division of  Juvenile Justice, DHSS,  informed                                                            
the committee  that his division has a number of treatment  programs                                                            
in the  state  for adolescents,  mostly  outpatient  programs.   The                                                            
amount in the  fiscal note will increase  some of that capacity  but                                                            
HB 179 will hopefully  provide a scheme to identify  chronic abusers                                                            
of alcohol earlier  so that early intervention can  take place. DHSS                                                            
will be able  to provide additional  supervision and support  to the                                                            
court system  to try to  change behavior.   If that doesn't  happen,                                                            
the delinquency  system will  kick in on the  third offense  and the                                                            
forces  of  the Superior  Court,  juvenile  probation  officers  and                                                            
family   members  will   attempt   more  intrusive   and   effective                                                            
interventions.    He believes  it will  be a  lot  better than  what                                                            
currently exists.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said he  is glad the bill has a pilot program aspect                                                            
to it so that  the state can get some hard numbers  to determine how                                                            
it works  and how  to expand  it.  He  then asked  Mr. Guaneli  what                                                            
happened to the minors  who lost their drivers' licenses for decades                                                            
as a result of multiple offenses under the "Use it lose it law."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DEAN  GUANELI, Assistant  Attorney General,  Department  of Law,                                                            
said he believes  that provision of the law was changed  recently so                                                            
that   those  revocations   will   run  concurrently   rather   than                                                            
consecutively.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There being no further  questions or testimony, SENATOR DONLEY moved                                                            
CSHB 179(FIN)am from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR  announced  that  with no  objections,  the  motion                                                            
carried.                                                                                                                        

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